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Nayo Renyk
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.17 02:04:00 -
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So, I'v been wondering about this for weeks now and id like to know if their is anything non-compatible with EVE lore here;
Would it be possible for a capsuleer (If he/she so choices to opt for it) to have a triple clone setup using the new dust technology that would let one clone with the new dust implant command the bridge of a ship (As in how they did it before the empyrean age), while having the (likely modified) pod on board with a second clone inside, then finally a clone safely at a station.
The point being one could pilot a ship the good ol' fashion style, If said ship goes down then the consciousness of the caption would go directly to the pod. If the pod goes down then its the same old story.
So ignoring the obvious fall-backs of such a choice, would it theoretically be possible? Im certainly not the oldest player around and my knowledge of the lore is even more limited, especially with dust 514. But its still an idea kicking around in the back of my head that i would appreciate feed back on. |
Nayo Renyk
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.17 22:51:00 -
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Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:The point on capsuleers being on capsules is that:
1. You can command your ship way more fficiently thanks to being integrated with the hardware itself.
2. If you die, your consciousness is automatically sent to the new clone in a safe station.
While DUST soldiers would be (in theory) able to command a ship, they would not be neraly as good as a capsuleer pilot (we are talking about advancements in commanding capabilities that make 'mortal' captains shiver in fear).
Also, while a killed DUST captain would be able to transfer his consciousness to a new clone, there's a big problem in your scheme: Capsules are prepared to send the information upon destruction, not to recive it and implant it in the body they are holding. Only stations with enough infrastructure can do that.
Well again ignoring the obvious disadvantages, the whole idea is it would open up a brand new theater for fiction; A capsuleer can directly interact with his/her crew and ship while maintaining immortality and even maintaining a strong link to the ship. The possibility's simply gush out from my head at least..
And to your infrastrucure point, call me insanely retarted, but how much does one actually need? Enough to house a planet conquering military? Okay, sure you need a station.. at least a command center.. But for one clone? Thats essentially super-human and No more than a few hundred meters at most, ready to go.? I already said the pod would be modified, why not with the aid of the ship itself? In fact I know certain ships have or used to have the capability for clone bays so by your logic some ships could do it. The question then is, simply how big does it need to be? |
Nayo Renyk
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.18 02:41:00 -
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Esna Pitoojee wrote:Devs have stated that DUST cloning implants are incompatible with capsule "flash cloning" technology.
Okay, incompatible how? Keep in mind only the bridge clone would have the implants. So in the case of consecutive death, it would be two completely different cloning techniques. This is all assuming of course the mind of the capsuleer could do this without turning into jelly.. |
Nayo Renyk
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.18 21:30:00 -
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I completely understand why you wouldnt be able to put a dust merc in a pod, However this isnt like that. The only thing that the clones would have in common would be the consciousness of the pilot, which both should handle just fine. So, the only thing that could be "incompatible" would be the actual transfer from bridge to pod. But it seems to me like it isnt something that couldnt be worked around..
Maybe im just kicking a dead horse here, but essentially "No, Becuase you can't" wasnt really what i was going for.
Perhaps I should have gone with "under what possible circumstances would this work?" as my OP.. |
Nayo Renyk
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.22 22:08:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:Yeah and OP, it just begs the question "why???"
AGAIN, its the story element. For example, I like to think of my capsuleer as an observer. He doesnt really care much for isk and power so much as seeing what other people would do with such things. With immortality on the bridge he would use plenty of his free time just basicly testing his crew. He would get to know them, and either toy with them, help them become a better person.. Or which ever he felt like doing at the time. Satistic? Maybe. But like you said "they're just organic mechanisms comprising a vast machine". If he ever got bored he could just blow up the ship and start fresh.
In short, Its to have the option to live with "demi-god" status without having to be confined inside a jelly filled space egg.
The rest is up to imagination..
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Having multiple copies of your informorph running around is strictly forbidden by CONCORD
Interesting.. But from the amount of threads iv seem to do with explaining the multiple characters issue and other topics that would collide with this it seems like its easy to believe CONCORD would suspend such a rule in certain cases such as 'a good read'n story'. Also keeping in mind under this set up its not like there are literally multiples of the same capsuleer running around, its just one mind.
Marcion Cravik wrote:Different Implants mean a different nervous layout,.. But if you really want this to work under certain circumstances, why let you imagination get bothered?
The brain cell layout needs to be the EXACT same? Hmm seems kinda far fetch considering the sheer randomness of such things. However if one starts to pick apart those kind of explainations the whole cloning process in general starts to make less and less sense, so i wont, and just say i see your point. And dont worry, me imagination arnt get bothered =P just wanted to hear what other people had to say on the subject, and so far im finding this thread quite interesting. |
Nayo Renyk
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.24 01:18:00 -
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Wow.. CCP falcon your my new favorite dev o.o
Thanks for a VERY detailed response and not only clearing up my knowledge of how dust implants work but also giving another way of approaching this idea..
F'n spot on. |
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